Funimation’s servers were compromised? Right

As some of you may or may not heard before, Funimation and TOEI were teaming up to simulcast stream One Piece and yesterday they uploaded it a day in advance and it was put on the internet. These brilliant Funimation folks also uploaded Phantom hours before the Japanese airing multiple weeks in a row and I kept wondering when whatever contract they had for Phantom was going to get canceled. The One Piece simulcast however has since been canceled until further notice so it looks like TOEI or whoever doesn’t have the same tolerance for this crap.

I quote their statement that’s also on ANN:

As anime fans know, FUNimation Entertainment and Toei Animation had planned for the first ever online simulcast of the series ‘One Piece’ tonight at 9:00 pm CDT., just one hour after its premiere on Japan’s Fuji Television. Unfortunately, in the last 24 hours we have determined that the FUNimation servers were compromised, even though we employ strict security standards. An unknown individual accessed and posted episode 403 online and as a direct result of this illegal act, all U.S. and Canadian fans will be deprived of access to this great anime series for the immediate future. We will make every effort to locate and prosecute the perpetrator(s) to the fullest extent of the law and will provide updates regarding this most serious matter.

This is a big fucking pile of bullshit. Your servers were compromised my ass.

Funi Streaming

Let me tell you something about Funimation streaming: It’s a fucking joke. “Strict security standards”? What “strict security standards”? Back when they put Negima!? on their streaming service I checked it out and it was a streamed .FLV file that you could download with a Firefox add-on like say, Download Helper. Even though Fullmetal Alchemist: Brohood is supposed to be “region locked” you can get the link to the .FLV still and download it from a foreign country even though you can’t view it directly on the page. And since their server is paper thin and you can’t really fluidly stream FMA anyway, downloading it is the better option.

Additionally, all of the streaming videos are in the same folder on their server and they all follow a certain naming format:

http://video.funimation.com/FLV/FUN_[ANIME_TITLE]_[EP#]_JPN_640X360.flv

So if you’ve been downloading FMA: Brohood or whatever else from Funimation’s website, you could use the same format and enter “ONE_PIECE” and “403″ and spam the link all day until it gets uploaded, which might as well be what happened yesterday. (Some of these links don’t work anymore. Hopefully a sign they’re changing it due to the One Piece leak?) In regards to why a person would be checking for the link repeatedly, all I have to say is look at Phantom as the example. The internet knows that Funimation uploads the episodes early. Notably, these links are pretty much un-protected so you can hotlink to them. Google http://video.funimation.com/FLV/ and you’ll find their links embedded in streaming anime sites or linked to on other sites.

For more specific proof that this has been going on for a while, try Googling the URL for say, Phantom 04, and you’ll find three streaming sites. Now look at the date those videos were added. By the way, Funi removed Phantom 09 then re-added it with a different file name. Instead of “PHANTOM” it’s now “PHNTM” so their solution was… to remove the vowels…?

This is purely Funimation’s fault. They leave all of the streaming material on their server somewhere that people could easily guess the file paths, making the streaming videos easy to download, and there’s nothing preventing you from downloading it directly from that folder. It’s like asking for leaks. If they’re serious about streaming, maybe they should make their streaming service better instead of blaming others and saying “Boo-hoo our servers were compromised” after the fact. Perhaps the little One Piece event will make them change their services for the better or maybe they’ll throw in the towel and go cry in Crunchyroll’s arms.

They were aware of rippers

Funimation is aware of the rippers. In fact, they’re even aware of Horrible Subs, who has been blamed by internet communities for the leak even though a rip was on Tokyo Tosho even earlier than Horrible Subs’ torrent. Horrible Subs has ripped episodes from Funimation’s video site in the past, and Lance Heiskell (one of Funi’s managers and kinda PR-ish guy) actually visited them and commented about how he’s a “really cool guy” and how he has a goatee now.

We know this because the Horrible Subs guy posted on 4chan showing a log of where the posters IP resolved to Funimation:

1243756907132
Thanks for the repost, /a/nons

Funi/Lance should’ve done something about Horrible Subs then instead of posting cheeky messages about his goatee.

Funi has also visited that encodefag, Daiz, from Underwater on that same IP.

funimation_visit

To some extent, it seems like Funi is trying to come off as a bunch of cool dudes to the community. They poll you about anime that’s being fansubbed and go, “Hey would you be interested in buying any of this?” and Lance posts on Horrible Subs going, “I’ve got a goatee”, etc. Is it that they’re trying to be nice and turn a blind eye and they’ve been aware you can download shit and they don’t care? Or do they really think that leaving their videos hotlinkable in the same directory week after week is really secure?

I have been asked why I am confident that Lance Heiskell really posted on their website and how I know it isn’t just Horrible Subs trolling. For one thing, you can tracert that IP yourself (use a website or your command prompt) and it will resolve to Funimation. It also geotraces to Flower Mound, where their office really is. So the question is basically this: Could Horrible Subs have gotten this IP by themselves to prank with? I honestly think not, how many of us have ever seen host.funimation.com being used before?

Next is how do we know Lance or someone from Funi really visited in the first place? That’s simpler. Horrible Subs leaves their website link on their torrents they submit to Tokyo Tosho, and we know Funi looks at Tokyo Tosho.

tl;dr

Whether you think the ripper guy from earlier and Horrible Subs did the right thing or not is irrelevant to the fact that Funimation is incompetent about streaming, knew about rip groups and yet did nothing.

Related Reading

In light of this One Piece leak, TheFluff published some Q+A correspondence he did with Funi and Aniplex through the Anime News Network. It’s related to Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood but it might give you some insight to Funi.

It also has funny and relevant quotes like this:

File transfer security was a concern but it was highly researched and a
solution was found that met all parties’ needs. That was a key issue in
all discussions.

You could also read the ANN thread which is a damn trainwreck. Everyone is making false analogies, like “stealing streams from Funi just because you know how to is like raping a girl just because she’s in a short skirt” and “you can’t just go into a bank and steal money!” I dare the people who use these analogies to use them on a professional IT guy. The IT guy would probably laugh in their faces. That hikaru004 guy is a pro retard-troll-hybrid too, insisting that there was an earlier torrent than the one on May 30th, and also bringing to light that I can CONTROL TIME by supposedly being responsible for Funi removing videos when videos had been removed prior to me publishing this! newwulfy is also pretty funny.

Rumor Mill

Word on the street is that a group who used to sub One Piece leaked 403. If that’s true, then there you go Funi. At least we’ve narrowed this down from the “whole internet” to whoever fansubs One Piece.

Outcomes, the future, etc

I don’t know if many of you have realized this or not, but I am all in favor of the industry killing fansubbing because my fansubber bros are fucking stupid and care more about shit like karaoke than they do the actual anime. Unfortunately, it seems the industry might be stupider and screwing up with One Piece might set them back a little. The ideal outcome here is that people want = Funi upgrades their system, Toei stops crying, the people on ANN shut the hell up and One Piece resumes streaming. But with Toei being like they are, this seems doubtful. So in the future, [Company A] might be like, “Oh look what happened with One Piece, I don’t want to simulcast”, etc. All kinds of fucking facepalm.

Mind = Blown / Omake

From IRC –

[17:46:01] <Reia> yeah so
[17:46:10] <Reia> funimation
[17:46:21] <zeroj> cool group
[17:46:36] <Reia> if you add the odd numbered letters together
[17:47:01] <Reia> you get 7 + 16 +15 + 18 + 17
[17:47:12] <Reia> which if you calculate that in base 7
[17:47:17] <Reia> 7 being the number of ‘g’
[17:47:20] <Reia> you get 77
[17:47:22] <Reia> or ‘gg’
[17:47:22] <zeroj> ???
[17:47:27] <zeroj> wat
[17:47:27] <Reia> so what I’m saying is
[17:47:33] <Reia> funimation == gg
[17:47:37] <zeroj> ( ゜Д゜ )
[17:47:41] <zeroj> what a twist

100 Comments
May 30, 2009 by miasmacloud in Anime
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100 Responses

  1. Reply
    Blue-kun also known as the Ant Slayer of the Americas of the South
    May 30, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    I second this. I think it’s pretty clear by now that they’re a bunch of incompetent faggots that have no clue whatsoever about what they’re doing.

    Still, I kinda feel bad for Tomato. I guess there goes his new job due to Funimation’s fucking incompetence. He’s a pretty coal dude for TL’ing epic games like Mother 3 and deserved better than this pos company. ‘-’

  2. Reply
    ZinC
    May 30, 2009 at 5:44 pm

    Funimation doin’ it George W. Bush way!

  3. Reply
    dongs
    May 30, 2009 at 5:56 pm

    LOL I JUST DOWNLOADED ONE PIECE FLV BY REPLACING THE NAME LIKE YUO SAID.

  4. Reply
    Anon
    May 30, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    While I’m really disappointed to see a legal streaming option disappear, I can’t help but agree with you. Funimation’s security (if you can even call it that) for its streaming media is nonexistent. They really need to adopt the system used by Crunchyroll, Hulu, and Joost where files are stored on an encrypted server and only a small increment of the file (a few minutes of video) is downloaded each moment. This method is not by any means foolproof, but it’s sure better than what they have now.

    I’m disappointed that I was not on 4chan when the leak occurred. I hope many lols were had.

  5. Reply
    Jaka
    May 30, 2009 at 6:20 pm

    it’s called HACKING, brah

  6. Reply
    Mandoric
    May 30, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    For the first time since people quit caring about DCC and FTP transmission, here’s a circumstance where a CRC in the filename would’ve been useful. :V

  8. Reply
    Bow Almagest
    May 30, 2009 at 8:01 pm

    Biggest bullshit in their statement: “this great anime series”

  9. Reply
    TheFluff
    May 30, 2009 at 8:03 pm

    sue funimation for licensing such shitty anime

  10. Reply
    Starks
    May 30, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    Lance isn’t taking subbing serious enough.

  11. Reply
    Aurelia
    May 30, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    What a shame. I could tell from their panel at Anime Boston last week that they knew what they were doing more than the other companies (lol ADV panel last year…). I was hoping we’d start off getting decent simulcasts on the right foot, but I guess not. :/

    • Reply
      miasmacloud
      May 31, 2009 at 12:21 am

      I agree that Funi is doing better compared to other companies, but ultimately they’re a distributor and not a… idk… “professional streamer”.

      As for simulcasts, there’s always Crunchy?

  12. Reply
    TheFluff
    May 30, 2009 at 9:42 pm

    Funimation has had tons of people leeching bandwidth from video.funimation.com by hosting their own streaming sites and just hotlinking the player to video.funimation.com. This has gone on for months. It’s obviously a sanctioned method of getting at the content since they’re not protecting it in any way, so why the fuck are they hurfing about “servers compromised”?

  13. Reply
    anon
    May 30, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    Fullest extent of the lawlz ?

    I don’t recall it being illegal to capture information going to your PC…let fucking alone putting in a god damn link and saying “Save As…”

    Omfg, this is so bad… too bad they won’t be able to prosecute anyone whatsoever for anything other than same ole “copyright infringement”.

  14. Reply
    andinam
    May 30, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    “This is a big fucking pile of bullshit. Your servers were compromised my ass.”

    oh boo hoo, stop acting like you know the whole story of what went on, that “bullshit” is purely speculation and nothing more.

    • Reply
      miasmacloud
      May 30, 2009 at 11:46 pm

      Oh you say it like you know it better! Maybe you’d like to inform the rest of us then when the evidence that they’re incompetent streamers who brought this upon themselves is tangible? Blaming something scary-sounding like a “hacker” in the eyes of the uninformed masses is certainly the easy way out.

  15. Reply
    Shiki
    May 31, 2009 at 1:59 am

    they got what they deserved.
    and i doubt they’ll ever find a way to stop people from downloading their files.

  16. Reply
    GIN
    May 31, 2009 at 2:07 am

    good job finding the photo, but eeewww! that dude looks creepy. LOL.

  17. Reply
    MCC
    May 31, 2009 at 4:14 am

    My God, we have new Holy Trinity of Trollz, KyoAni, FunAnimation and Aniplex.

    I mean, wtf, big companies are actually a bunch of dummies?

    • Reply
      reqwired
      May 31, 2009 at 6:02 am

      Well if they can get bigger and dumber then their government will bail them out.

    • Reply
      hinode
      May 31, 2009 at 12:18 pm

      Neither KyoAni nor Funimation is actually big, though.

      Aniplex is a division of Sony so they count, but… well, it’s Sony.

  18. Reply
    Kamion
    May 31, 2009 at 7:27 am

    I tried not to laugh as this is supposed to be srsbsnss to them but I couldn’t help it.

  19. Reply
    niichan32
    May 31, 2009 at 9:35 am

    Don’t really care, funimation sucks ass anyway. I watched their online stream and the video quality sucks. Damn!!!

    It’s really not that complicated. I watch fansubbed anime because:

    - fast releases (funimation = SLOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!)
    - better sub quality
    - better video quality
    - more care for detail (like karaoke effects and special attack effects for one piece)
    - original anime (no fucking and editing shit)

    That’s way everbody loves fansubs. But these funimation assholes are just sitting there doing nothing but sending c&d letters all day.

    THEY ARE NOT EVEN TRYING TO BE BETTER THAN THE FANSUBS.

    why why why ?????????

    well, let me answer my own question. Because that would mean making their shit look like something that came from a fansub, their quality would then be good and people would actually consider buying their shit.

    And apparently that’s not what they are aiming for.

    And it’s not just funimation. Viz-media isn’t doing any better (at least they don’t send c&d letters all the time). Don’t get me wrong because both are dog shit, but at least viz-media is not forcing you to smell it.

    Having said all this. You can’t really blame people for choosing the fansubs.

    That was my longest comment EVAR, i’m totally tired now. So i’m gonna rest now and watch some [horriblesubs].

  20. Reply
    onetrueviet
    May 31, 2009 at 10:42 am

    Nicely presented. You made me grin on what you pointed out.

  21. Reply
    TheFluff
    May 31, 2009 at 11:05 am

    andinam :“This is a big fucking pile of bullshit. Your servers were compromised my ass.”
    oh boo hoo, stop acting like you know the whole story of what went on, that “bullshit” is purely speculation and nothing more.

    Speculation? We know exactly what happened, it’s not like it was hard to figure out.

  22. Reply
    theflow
    May 31, 2009 at 3:41 pm

    funimation == gg
    ( ゜Д゜ )

    seconded

  23. Reply
    aye
    May 31, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    This is always a tricky topic. IMO people need to get it off their minds that just because someone has ZOMG TEH LICENSE doesn’t mean you have any obligation to pay for their subs. If I think Funis subs suck ass – which is quite the case, I’m afraid – then I’ll make my own. People who stop distribution of a fansub if it gets licensed, that’s just … ah, never mind. It’s different if people rip Funi’s subs, I’m not too cool with that.

    This is just icing on the cake. I mean, what the fuck. I don’t want a company that tries to play the anime fanatic role. I want decent subs. And as long as Funimation continues to make such entirely mediocre subs, there is absolutely no reason to actually mind all the bla that’s being emitted from over there.

    I mean, you’re right of course. I just don’t think we should pay this much attention to what Funi, of all, spouts.

  24. Reply
    aye
    May 31, 2009 at 4:04 pm

    Take Crunchy’s subs for instance – they are a lot better than Funimations. The official subs for Xam’d were excellent. But Funimation, seriously … Phantom 08: “What future lied ahead?” – Wtf?

  25. Reply
    Mindsphere
    May 31, 2009 at 5:02 pm

    funimation == gg

    ( ゜Д゜ )

    i lol’d pretty hard.

  26. Reply
    LordMelkor
    May 31, 2009 at 7:45 pm

    FUNi did make a mess of things the way it handled the streaming of episodes, resulting in OP being pulled from sites like Hulu which knows how to handle its shit.

    But that being said, I think its rather irritating to see all these people who are solely railing on FUNi.

    Quoting someone from the ANN thread:
    “sena_h_dei wrote:
    All you people laying the blame on Funimation are making me a bit ill. Seriously. You’re the kind of asswipes that honestly believes a woman deserves to be raped simply because she’s wearing a short skirt aren’t you?”

    As in just because FUNi made the video very easy to steal, doesn’t mean that it’s legit to go steal it.

    • Reply
      miasmacloud
      May 31, 2009 at 7:55 pm

      That’s a very flawed and frankly totally incorrect analogy. Try again.

    • Reply
      The Sojourner
      June 1, 2009 at 2:51 pm

      Don’t quote from ANN lol. thx

    • Reply
      anon
      June 1, 2009 at 10:29 pm

      LordMelkor :Quoting someone from the ANN thread:
      “sena_h_dei wrote:
      All you people laying the blame on Funimation are making me a bit ill. Seriously. You’re the kind of asswipes that honestly believes a woman deserves to be raped simply because she’s wearing a short skirt aren’t you?”
      As in just because FUNi made the video very easy to steal, doesn’t mean that it’s legit to go steal it.

      Raping a woman is invading her privacy by violating their body. FUNi put up episode 403 in their publicly accessible area. A woman being sexually assaulted can say no and fight back. Episode 403 didn’t say no and didn’t fight back. There are ways to make a file say no, and none of those methods were used. CHModding, moving the file, passwords, et cetera. In terms of server language, 403 was very much in the publicly accessible domain. To compare a physical violation of privacy to virtually copying something put in the virtual public is only an analogy which only exists in the world is a striking example of an analogy one should never make if they wish to be taken for serious.

      To further insist that severity heeds no meaning is something that one who wishes to be taken for serious should never say. It’s insulting to rape victims to insinuate that their own body and also possibly their hymen, something that can only be broken once and has different meanings in different cultures, is worth as much as animated intellectual property used for entertainment. If severity is a meaningless factor, then law and police could only have death as a punishment for breaking the law, and we could be punished with our lives for even the pettiest of crimes. Severity is not a measure of harshness, rather it is an appeal to your common sense.

      There have been court cases in which virtual intellectual property has been found through the same means as episode 403 was found and the perpetrators were taken to court. This is even mentioned on the very same ANN you quote from. These cases were for far larger businesses than FUNi, and yet these cases ended with the court ruling in the perpetrators favor. The only thing FUNi has over the perpetrator who spread the file is copyright and intellectual rights violation, and this is assuming they can really narrow down who the perpetrator is from everyone who downloaded 403 from their server.

      • Reply
        TheFluff
        June 2, 2009 at 5:26 am

        http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/deeplinking.html

        “[A]ny attempt to forbid the practice of deep linking is based on a misunderstanding of the technology, and threatens to undermine the functioning of the Web as a whole.
        [...]
        Two analogies have been proposed to help illuminate the question of deep linking through parallels in the real world.

        The first analogy is with buildings, which typically have a number of doors. A building might have a policy that the public may only enter via the main front door, and only during normal working hours. People employed in the building and in making deliveries to it might use other doors as appropriate. Such a policy would be enforced by a combination of security personnel and mechanical devices such as locks and pass-cards. One would not enforce this policy by hiding some of the building entrances, nor by requesting legislation requiring the use of the front door and forbidding anyone to reveal the fact that there are other doors to the building.

        The second analogy is with a library, which has a well-known street address. Each book on the shelves of this library also has an identifier, composed of its title, author, call number, shelf location, and so on. The library certainly will exercise access control to the individual books; but it would be counterproductive to do so by forbidding the publication of their identities.

        These analogies are compelling in the context of the deep linking issue. A provider of Web resources who does not make use of the built-in facilities of the Web to control access to a resource is unlikely to achieve either justice or a good business outcome by attempting to suppress information about the existence of the resource.”

    • Reply
      Plorkyeran
      June 2, 2009 at 10:47 am

      A more accurate analogy would be that a stranger walked up to Funimation’s server and asked if it wanted to fuck, and it said yes. When Funimation found out about this, it got angry about how people thought its server was a slut and so started claiming that the server was raped and grounded the server for a while. Now as it turns out, the stranger happened to record itself having (consensual) sex with Funimation’s server and released the video on the internet, without the server’s knowledge. This part was illegal (as with all fansubs), but the sex itself was not.

      • Reply
        TheFluff
        June 2, 2009 at 3:25 pm

        this is a p. awesome analogy

      • Reply
        LordMelkor
        June 6, 2009 at 6:13 am

        Points taken. (Amusing analogy, btw)

        However, FUNimation is taking issue with the redistribution of its material, not its accessing…

        Quoting the FUNi CEO:
        “The preempting of this content is not only an invasion but a violation of law and it is a matter we take seriously. We have identified the person(s) who we believe is responsible for the downloading and ’subsequent distribution’ of this episode. Regardless of the means by which they gained access to the files, the person(s) responsible understood that they were stealing the file and that it was wrong to do so. We do intend to pursue legal action.”

        Seems to me the issue here is the redistribution, not the accessing, which everyone keeps bringing up.

  27. Reply
    The Sojourner
    May 31, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    [ID SOJOURNER]

    Kona, YOU KNOW TOO MUCH.

  28. Reply
    Humberto Saabedra
    June 1, 2009 at 12:17 am

    miasmacloud :That’s a very flawed and frankly totally incorrect analogy. Try again.

    You should see the comments at AnimeVice, they’re full of the same retarded analogies and piss poor logic endemic to the fanbase. Critical thinking is not a skill that many anime fans seem to have, and it was lol-worthy.

    • Reply
      anon
      June 1, 2009 at 10:43 pm

      Anime Vice is just not a good news site. It is written as if it is the center of the anime news world, with phrases like, “and surprisingly unlike most of the commentary here.”

  29. Reply
    noushi
    June 1, 2009 at 1:36 am

    Funimation did it for the lulz!

  30. Reply
    Ginnodangan
    June 1, 2009 at 3:42 am

    Wow, I actually had hopes for what they were doing.
    They are pretty much gone now of course.

  31. Reply
    anonlol
    June 1, 2009 at 6:51 am

    No one tl;dr this yet? I’d like to, but I actually read all of it. Wonder what’s wrong with me?

  32. Reply
    Phoenix
    June 1, 2009 at 9:34 am

    Oh, wat

    You took out the best part of this post about you having time travel abilities

    I feel cheated, somehow.

  33. Reply
    風の谷の名無しさん
    June 1, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Reia is v. good at counting.

  34. Reply
    Blank
    June 2, 2009 at 12:44 am

    Steaming episodes eliminating fansubbing is horrible. Why would you want to stream episodes one after another when you can collect all the episodes and watch them whenever you like, so convenient right? I know.

    • Reply
      Anon
      June 2, 2009 at 11:49 pm

      You can stream episodes whenever you like. It’s so convenient. Unless you live in some gay tird-world country with limited internets, in which case hah hah. Save your hard drive space for something that’s actually useful.

  35. Reply
    OunknownO
    June 2, 2009 at 12:53 am

    Fansub rules, period.

  36. Reply
    hermano
    June 2, 2009 at 2:38 am

    I think this is a whole setup by Funimation, sothat the streaming-thing don#t grow!
    They don’t like doing it from the beginning, because they don’t get money out of it. At least all they want is making CA$H and nothing less.

  37. Reply
    Setsuken
    June 2, 2009 at 7:28 am

    If Dub companies/American Distributors were actually smart… They’d be making more money O_o

    I actually saw the Funimation Sub, and it was just bad. My japanese knowledge is pretty much nothing and I know that Gomou = Rubber, and Funi translated it as “Gum Gum”, which is just… epic lame.

    Thing is, if independent, fan translators can do a good job of subtitling and translating shows on a schedule, than a professional company should be able to OUTDO them.

    Honestly there’s a lot of money to be made from the anime industry. I guess we just don’t have a smart enough company to profit from it wisely enough XD

    • Reply
      Jaka
      June 2, 2009 at 9:12 am

      it’s called localization, faggot

    • Reply
      LaughingTarget
      June 2, 2009 at 12:11 pm

      Rubber Rubber Bullet sounds lame, that’s why they left it as-is, which I agree with.

      P.S. – I right clicked on your picture, I’m a bad-ass hacker now.

    • Reply
      miasmacloud
      June 2, 2009 at 3:47 pm

      “Gomou”? Sounds like jibberish.

      P. sure you mean the word “gomu”, which refers to different types of rubber-y stuff including gum and even condoms. Obviously it should’ve been translated as “Condom Condom”.

      • Reply
        Setsuken
        June 3, 2009 at 6:54 am

        Is it Gomu? Well, they pronounce it “Gomou” XD

        And what people said, WHY localize things like this? I mean, translator notes somewhere would suffice. Like how I remember, AGES ago, that Nakama Fansubs was it? They put a note TELLING people what Nakama actually meant, rather than just translating it to “comrades” and decreasing the overall effect of the word.

        The point is that anime is in japanese culture, and these days, only the extremely dumb people would think that everything can be totally converted into their culture during the localization process. You need to UNDERSTAND, not errr… convert?

        And erm… well Luffy does stretch his arms and shoot them at the opponent, so the condom translation is possible XD

        • Reply
          miasmacloud
          June 3, 2009 at 7:12 am

          How is translating Gomu as Gum localization

        • Reply
          an_insider
          June 3, 2009 at 7:12 am

          Except One piece doesn’t take place in japan so it wouldn’t be wrong to localize it with pirate jargon.

        • Reply
          Suzuran
          June 3, 2009 at 7:19 am

          A translator’s job is to translate everything. If he has to resort back to notes, he fails. Seems like their translator did an awesome job.
          You don’t even known that it’s “gomu,” so why are you whining because they translated a Japanese word (that you don’t even know)? Translating nakama decreases the overall effect of the word? Bull shit! What kind of retard are you? Which dumb fuck smacked that logic in your tiny brain? Also Nakama Fansubs (lol@name) are bunch of dorks that suffer from down syndrome.

          The point of anime is entertainment, (actually aimed for Japanese people in the first place) not something to learn the Japanese culture. Besides, there’s no cultural reference in One Piece. Perhaps you mean the Japanese language? Go watch Sazae-san like all good kids in Japan do.

          I’m so glad you shit weeaboos won’t be able to watch One Piece right after it airs in Japan. Suck it down :DD I hope someone with brain would c&d One Piece subbers as well so you mentally retarded kids won’t be able to watch OP at all ^_^

          • Reply
            風の谷の名無しさん
            June 3, 2009 at 8:22 am

            He’s whining because if you translate the words to English, he’ll notice how dumb it all actually is. As long as it uses mysterious foreign words, it might actually still be cool and not a silly kid’s show.

          • Reply
            Setsuken
            June 4, 2009 at 7:04 am

            I meant I didn’t know how to “WRITE” Gomu/Gomou in English, since it’s a japanese word and not really an english word to BEGIN with o.o

            We clearly have different opinions on how much a translator should translate. Real mature to start calling people retards cause of their preferrences. XD

            I never said anime was some Japanese educational program aimed at making us learn the culture. I’m simply pointing out that Anime is deep rooted with so much Japanese culture that it’s odd if you translate every single thing.

            I dunno what One Peice did to you, or what the “weeaboo” fans did to you, but I can recommend visiting a shrink to deal with these issues XD

            • Suzuran
              June 4, 2009 at 7:29 am

              Setsuken :I meant I didn’t know how to “WRITE” Gomu/Gomou in English, since it’s a japanese word and not really an english word to BEGIN with o.o
              We clearly have different opinions on how much a translator should translate. Real mature to start calling people retards cause of their preferrences. XD
              I never said anime was some Japanese educational program aimed at making us learn the culture. I’m simply pointing out that Anime is deep rooted with so much Japanese culture that it’s odd if you translate every single thing.
              I dunno what One Peice did to you, or what the “weeaboo” fans did to you, but I can recommend visiting a shrink to deal with these issues XD

              It’s not deep rooted, your opinion is shit, a translator must translate everything, you’re stupid. Also you weeaboos disgust me for being so pathetic.

        • Reply
          Anon
          June 3, 2009 at 8:30 am

          They put a note TELLING people what Nakama actually meant, rather than just translating it

          What the fuck does this even mean? Telling people what a word means ≠ translating?? What world do you live in?

          • Reply
            Setsuken
            June 4, 2009 at 7:06 am

            errr… Explaining the deeper meaning of a term and how it’s not directly translatable to ONE word in the English language = What I mean.

            It’s called Planet Earth, it’s such a nice place to live in =D

        • Reply
          FalseDawn
          June 3, 2009 at 5:35 pm

          Keikaku means plan, doncha know?

  38. Reply
    unokpasabaxaki
    June 2, 2009 at 2:59 pm

    Well, I’d prefer what fansubs do, to leave it in Japanese, with a side note (well, more like top note xD). But I think this is just my preferance to fansubs over crappy quality official subs like Funi xD

    And anyway, I have the manga, why would I be so desperate about the anime? xD

  39. Reply
    nolurk
    June 3, 2009 at 5:53 am

    Now all we need is someone arguing “nakama” should never be translated and we finally have a real One Piece thread >_>

  40. Reply
    TypicalOPfan
    June 3, 2009 at 7:10 am

    Nakama shouldn’t be translated, it’s in the oxford dictionary.
    It has a deep meaning that can’t be translated into english.

    • Reply
      Djweish
      June 5, 2009 at 3:45 am

      No it isn’t. And I’ve got the full Oxford English Dictionary, so I can check. Closest is naka, an Indian toll booth type thing…

      • Reply
        風の谷の名無しさん
        June 5, 2009 at 5:46 am

        I wouldn’t put too much trust in that book, the word “gullible” isn’t even in it!

  41. Reply
    blinx01
    June 3, 2009 at 10:15 am

    LOL! Nakama Fansubs are the best example of how not to fansub!
    - A translators job is to translate as much as possible. Nakama Fansubs fail in that department because they believe certain Japanese words have some sort of magical property that simply can’t be translated.
    - Intrusive karaoke. We actually want to just read the lyrics, be it the romaji or english translation. Having them bounce around on screen or disappear after a word is said is plain idiocy.
    - Attack SFX. WTF guys?

    I could go on but point being, I wouldn’t want fansubs to be non-existant. I welcome official subs such as CR, which generally tend to be pretty damn good. However, it’s also nice to have options, and good fansub groups usually offer a more literal translation where Japanese cultural references are left in tact.

    As for FUNi, they’re a joke, simple as. Any respectable company would raise their hands, admit that they were at fault for the leak, and learn from the experience, offering better streaming options as a result.
    Instead they’ve spat their dummy out and are trying to place the blame entirely on others. They also try to act like they’re all chummy with the fansub community, use to to find out whats shows they should license, then send out C&D’s, basically saying “thanks alot fuckers.”

  42. Reply
    datadyne
    June 4, 2009 at 7:30 am

    I have to agree with that whole caring more about Karaoke than the actual anime thing. When I first started watching anime the files were a quarter of your hard drive size and you could barely make out what was happening because the video was so bad. But I loved every minute of it. Now I hear people complaining because the video wasn’t in HD. Then they’ll go and watch a show from a group than does a shitty job translating, just because it’s in HD and looks “prettier.”

  43. Reply
    zeroj
    June 4, 2009 at 8:53 am

    hi guys ijust came for viral marketings

  44. Reply
    Kurike
    June 4, 2009 at 4:30 pm

    Jaka :lol I guess!

    Gomu = gum, rubber, eraser
    (http://www.freedict.com/onldict/onldict.php)

    so, taking the 2 sets of words together (oh wait for it.. it’s magic-time people!)

    GOOOOMUUUUU GGOOOOOOMMMUUU no FASU SULAPO!!!!

    = Gum gum face-slap ;)

  45. Reply
    TheBigN
    June 4, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    So serious business, I see.

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